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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
The odds are 8-1 that this war on terror will destroy mankind more than preventing any upheaval from the horse and those twenty guys......
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Pro Bowl Player |
john you cant wage a war on a tactic. Guerilla tactics against a larger enemy will continue to infinty. Our countries founders were "terrorists" its really a stupid slogan and a matter of perspective.
Any thought that a more unstable sectarian region that has historically been combative to themselves and everyone else will lead to prevention of mankind is odd. Let alone Irans rise in power and influence will never be a good thing for mankind when they have an extreme religion in control of their politics. For gods sake they have and entire battalion of suicide squads in their military. If they go nuclear so will syria. Can you imagine a wahabist or shiite/sunni with a Nuke? This possibly could honestly lead to the first nuclear detonation by a random criminal suicide "terrorist". |
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Hall of Famer |
Any historian who try's to write history now isn't worth a shit. All they are doing is expressing opinion. Indeed it is unpopular....just as funding Afghanistan was unpopular after the Soviets left. Had we continued top do so, this current mess might have been totally different if we not allowed the crazies to take over.. History has a way of working out....and public opinion has little to do with it. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Cop Out .............
bad policies all around for Admin ALL OF EM......... Wars included I cannot think of a single positive |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Uhm... duh? A bunch of the top historians in the U.S. were asked how they thought history would judge Bush. They said he would be judged as the worst or at least one of the worst presidents ever. Fair question, honest answers from some really, really smart people who know their shit. It's interesting whether you like the answer or not. It also happens to be the same answer coming from the American people. And honestly, from your deep-down true spot: Did you expect better? I mean, assuming you have a TV and you've seen Bush speak? Do you NOT wonder what in the hell half of the voters were thinking? Does it NOT seem just beyond your imagination at this point that George W. Bush really did get elected president... TWICE??? It boggles me, that's for damn sure. I've asked Republican friends straight out: "Seriously? You actually thought voting for Bush made sense? Just because he wore your colors?" If a total dipshit deep up the ass of Big Oil who couldn't form a complete sentence got the Dem nomination, I wouldn't vote for him. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Oh.... wait... All it took was one look at Jupiter John's attendence record in the senate, the horse-shit he pulled directly after he served in Vietnam (and tried to flex his GI Joe service muscle throughout his campaign), for me to pull out my hand scales & go, "Ok dubya, one more chance." The swiftboat campaign was just as disgusting as you make it out to be. But instead of "smear" it's called "karma." |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor  |
Great point. Shep thinks Colbert Maher Stewart and that cute guy on SNL are historians. BTW Legacy, what's wrong with the swiftboaters? WSS |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
I just found it to be kind of sinister. The whole thing. But, like I said - Kerry probably deserved it. In the realm of "Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me." |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
The thing about Kerry (to me) is that he made his career as the anti war guy. Fair enough. He infuriated his fellow servicemen with accusations of war crimes. (those that, if true, he participated in at the time) Other guys in at the same time tell different recollections just as he did about sitting off the Cambdian coast being "seared" in memory. His third purple heart was, shall we say, a misstatement until he changed the story. And sure, self inflicted wounds count. Going to Europe to defend the Viet Cong probably pissed off some men in the US armed forces, ya think? So even FactCheck is wishy washy about the bottom line. So I'd say these guys probably had a legitimate gripe when the guy who called then [basically] nazis billed himself as John Wayne. And yep, if it was me I'd want to see the guy defeated but the other party. That's all. WSS |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Ring of Honor |
I say you're wronmg Sev. While the Continental militias may well have committed atrocities to suspected Brit sympathizers terrorism (unless I'm wrong) is about targetinc civilians. Using unorthodox measures against an army isn't the same. WSS |
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Bingo. It's called "guerilla warfare". Terrorism is when you seek to inspire terror in the masses, i.e., the WTC and Arlington VA attacks of 9/11. (That's right Arlington, VA not DC.). I don't recall reading of the troops under Washington hiding in civilian churches firing on the British, or using children as human shields.
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Bingo. "So, I look at Kerry with the same amount of "This guy is a complete joke" as shep does Bush. Except Kerry is much more efficient. He can display his remarkable level of "duh" in 15 minutes that takes Bush 7 or 8 years (or sometimes just a single speech) to accomplish. So he has that going for him.....  |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I didn't love Kerry, although I think it would take a dozen lobotomies to make him Bushian. Bad candidate but good guy, obviously good soldier, and someone who saw some horrible shit he didn't approve of at all.
Still not sure where you find bad in that unless you're just a big fan of atrocities. So the shits turned on him later and smeared, lied, tried to back out of it and say they didn't know what they were funding and signing... and finally apologized. Yeah, that really makes me mad at John Kerry! Strange world. But it's tough to be a Republican now and there is some outrageous spinning going on. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Leg, you know I like you... but is there anyone that could make Bush the lesser of two idiots? I mean, seriously? He's by miles the biggest idiot to ever make it all the way to the White House.
Kerry annoyed me. He really did. He seems to have some kind of focus problem, like a learning disability. He's incomprehensible at times. I actually think he's a ditz with a high IQ. But to compare him to W? I don't know, man. I just can't fathom anything worse. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
To glean anything real about any Democrat from a discussion including Steve? Uh, no. |
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AFC North Player of the Month |
Funny story: I attended an Obama campaign event a few months back, and Kerry was one of the featured speakers. He delivers this long, rambling speech, towards the end of which he says, "As the Constitution declares, 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal'." I turned to my friend and said, "Did he just confuse the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence?" Not a big deal in of itself, but a little strange... The next morning I was part of a group of college kids who met with Senator Kerry. He gives us a little pep-talk, then makes the same gaffe again! Say whatever you want about liberal college kids, but they know something about America's founding documents. I looked around the room, and people were either whispering something under their breath or staring at Kerry with furrowed eyebrows. Like I said, it's not a big deal. But I think it exemplifies Kerry's political weakness: his peculiar skill at making political gaffes, both big and small - ones that ruined his presidential campaign. |
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steve I was pointing out that terrorism is a matter of perspective. Terrorism is a tactic , you cant wage a war against a tactic no matter how dispicable.
Technically the world trade centers was infrastructure(economic) target, like the pentagon was a military target. I was pointing out to jon that we cant win anything against a tactic used by criminals. nation to nation wars are fought by armies, war on crimes are fought by law enforcement and in some cases backed up by militaries. The people who attacked us was not part of any specific organized leg of a nation nor had any nationalistic goals, they are organized crime that use guerilla fear tactics and suicide strikes. In our case it really was not a random strike but military and economic infrastructure. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I guess being a draft dodger and privileged in the National Guard with no chance of being called and then going awol is champion class................and that was the best George Bush ever offered to the US and terrorism is a bullshit excuse to intimidate the masses into doing whatever the power wishes including self destruction ....perfectly excuted and the best.....of George's time including spending us broke and having a nation live in fear.........great job George |
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