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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
You're getting beyond tiresome. why don't I come up there so you can punch me in the face and get it over with.
If you'd leave a church because of what Wright said, or because of a gay bishop, why wouldn't you leave a church that participated in, facilitated, and covered up the rape of hundreds of children? Would you, Steve? |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
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First Day Draft Selection |
Catholic churches, while having a central leader are largly indepent establishments. To say every church is guilty is ignorant. Yes if a pastor at your church was in on the whole gay rape stuff, many people would and did leave them. however to leave a church where your priest did nothing is a little extreme.
the difference is the localization of the incident, wich is why your comparison isn't a good one. not every black church should close its doors because of Wright. Just like not every catholic church should do the same because of other priests. however is when the priest commits the incident in that particular church, that that church suddenly has a problem, and the people that attend it should take action. I could speak for pretty much every person that goes to a chatholic church here when I say if the priest started admitting that he rapes kids, and sees no problem with it, and bragging about it. everyone here would find a new church to attend, or speak up to see the priest removed |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Don't know Heck. I'm not Catholic and I don't know that your assessment is accurate. Usually it isn't. But I guess there are other parrishes I could go to if my priest and mentor was a bad guy. As far as Obama it's up to him. He'll need the Black vote in droves when he gets the nomination. Piss 'em off they stay home as usual. An outsider to the hood he needed the street cred to get money and votes. Like a politician in Tampa might have contacts in the Outlaws. Or one in Louisiana the Klan. Or Jack Kennedy the mob. Coming up quickly through the ranks means those groups ties are still visible. You gotta live with your choices these days. Fo me I see the hypocricy in always keeping the race card on top of the deck when attacking the Clintons or anyone else who dares to cross him. WSS |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Jesus, you don't even know about the Catholic sex abuse scandal? Where you been?
And where would you like to accuse me of getting my facts wrong? As for Obama, he spent the entire campaign not being the race candidate, going beyond that, and now you're accusing him of being the race candidate? And what's wrong with attacking Clinton for, say, his Jesse Jackson remarks after South Carolina? You didn't think those remarks were offensive and inaccurate? |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I love the memo on the right: let's not talk about race. Unless we're using it to cater to the racial fears of our base, and our advantage.
When other people do it it's "playing the race card." When we do it it's got nothing to do with race whatsoever. Oy. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Alendor, one of the biggest offenders, Cardinal Law, who was my cardinal growing up, was brought to the Vatican by the Pope. A man who was deeply, deeply involved in the cover up and knew what was going on for years and did nothing, and even facilitated the abuse.
This goes well, well beyond the idea of individual churches. This involved the church hierarchy in Boston, Los Angeles, Dallas, Portland, etc. And in the Catholic church, your individual priest isn't the head of the organization anyway. The Pope is. The cardinals are. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
So you think what Wright said is worse than what was done in the Catholic church - not just at the lower levels of the priesthood, but at the very highest levels of the hierarchy?
How could you say that? I can see your point that you may have an individual parish and an individual priest you enjoy and admire, but that doesn't change the fact that the hierarchy of the church was guilty of some of the worst kind of negligence and endangerment, and for decades. I'm sure it bothered you. It bothered everyone. Why would you stay in a church like that? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Ahh incredulity; gotta love it. From where did he compose his political base on the way up the ranks? The Nascar circuit? Rodeo Drive? The NHL? WSS |
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First Day Draft Selection |
Well heck, for starters i'm not gonna argue about wich offense was worse, I will put out the incidents tho, Wright basically preached the death of all white people, or genocide, the Catholic church had queer priests that played with little boys and tried to cover it up. They are there, make what you want of the situations.
What I am saying is that, yes what the catholic church did was in no way acceptable. but I know my local priest had nothing to do with it. I'm not gonna be some ignorant fool and go there demading his resignation and getting everyone to leave his church. or go riot and demand that a chatholic run orphanage that had nothing to do with it be shut down. Which is essentialy what you are asking. Everyone single man worman and child should leave the chatholic church immediatly, regardless of who is involved. you are comparing 2 different cases 1: a local pastor preaching pretty much genocide of an entire group of people based on skin color. 2: a very very large organization with a handful of higher ups breaking laws and acting inappropriatly. they are entirely different sittuations. and are not comparable. thats what i'm trying to say. regardless of how anyone compares the crimes. they are just 2 completly different sittuations. its like comparing apples with bannanas. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Wright didn't preach the death of all white people! Wow. Maybe when you realized what he did say you can relax. Because that's not what he said. At all.
My point wasn't to say you should leave your church, or that they're the same thing. It's to point out that the Catholic hierarchy in Los Angeles or Boston or Dallas committed real crimes, as opposed to saying things like "God damn America", and yet no one is suggesting that all Catholics in Los Angeles or Boston or Dallas leave their church. But you're just way, way off about what Wright is preaching. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
How about this? Why don't you get a quote from his speeches where he "basically preached the death of all white people, or genocide."
Let's see it. And why can't you say that what happened in the Catholic Church is worse than what was said in Trinity Baptist? That shouldn't be too hard. |
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Ha! Well the "Book of Common Prayer" (not sure what is used in the Catholic church) doesn't prevent gays from leading worship, but you'd have a better chance of finding a bible in a mosque than in an Episcopalian church, so it wouldnt really have any effect on that decision. I believe God treats sin as sin. My gratuitous use of the f-word is just as perverse & disgusting to God as homosexuality. I think I can pass judgement that one is a bad habit where the other is a lifestyle, but lucky for me, passing judgement is not my responsibility. So while I have no problem with gay people attending church, I don't tihnk they should lead worship. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
No one is suggesting that all blacks leave their churches either. Just that if Obama is "so opposed to the hateful divisive rhetoric" found in Wright's sermons, perhaps he should have used better judgement on {who he kept court with}* unless he either: a) Had no clue what Wright was talking about for 20 years (I'd say impossible) or b) Agrees or at one point agreed with what was being preached. (only slightly more likely than "impossible"). or c) Is getting his 1st test as a national politician and trying to soft shoe the issue completely as it is not really relavent to his campaign - unless there is some truth to "b" (most likely). *that phrase is letting Obama off easy as he has professed Wright to be his spiritual leader/ mentor, inspriration for the title of his book, etc.. |
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" 1) In a set of "talking points" on the church's Web site, Wright proclaims himself an exponent of "black liberation theology." He cites James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, whom he credits for having "systematized" this strain of Christianity.
Here is a quote from Cone, explaining black liberation theology: Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." while he may not have put it quite so bluntly he supports these views, and does it publicly while preaching |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I guess you read the same sites as Tupa does. He posted that back about 80 posts ago.
But again, there's no evidence that Wright believes this particular theory. Quite the contrary, he didn't preach violence at all. |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
He didn't??? What sermons did you attend? You have NO idea what he did or did not preach, aspouse to, or preach about, so stop with the pretensiousness okay? Okay. |
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I was raised in a catholic household and attended catholic school till the 5th grade.
I consider myself a failed catholic because it didnt stick and I dont believe in it. The things the roman church has done is just downright evil. People are trying as we speak to make the pope a saint and it makes me cringe everytime I think of how many pedophiles and predators he protected and now he deserves sainthood? Obama cant be that dense and this whole thing is really a non issue,unless you want it to be. By the way DD, Your love of the flag is very touching,I hate to burst your bubble but even the troops hate saluting the flag twice on a daily basis. Man for someone who loves America and the troops so much how come you never served? |
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Outta Work Pimp Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
18-24 Went to college. Never thought twice about service. Wish I had now that I know what it is about and what I am missing. 25-39 Three DUI's, 6 mos in County on Drugs, and spending time turning my life around I don't qualify. There is no exemption and to be honest my body is shot physically after all the football. Excuses? Hell yeah. Bunch of excuses..... |
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