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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
Just curious.
If it were up to you. |
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If I had to pick one, I would say register guns. And no, not because I am part of the vast Zionist conspiracy to pacify the people and take their guns away. Well, I am, but that's not why I think they should be registered. It seems like there are certain things I would want to have kept track of (if that makes sense), and guns would make that list. If I could choose two, I would probably prohibit semi-automatics as well.
On the whole guns thing, I tend to agree with P.J. O'Rourke, who says that one of his jobs is to convince liberals that guns aren't evil while convincing conservatives that drugs aren't either. Dennis Combine the two, and yes, you might have gang warfare, but you also get O'Rourke and Hunter S. Thompson. Seems like a fair trade-off to me. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
I said register. I look at gun ownership (handgun, shotgun, rifle, etc.) as a right as an American, but as a priveledge as a human being. If I chose to own a gun, I have no problem giving somebody else the priveledge of knowing & tracking what I own, as long as they don't infringe on my right to own & use (within the law/reason/common sense) it.
History has shown that banning a vice only creates an entire industry for criminals to not only profit off of the ban, but commit other crimes in conjunction with and because of it. Criminals don't follow most laws, so I don't anticipate they'd follow this one either. *edit* Dennis- great points about O'Rourke & Thompson. |
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Guns to all qualified personnel, i.e., no criminal record and mentally stable. No registering, etc. I do believe in a thorough background check, meaning criminal records IN ALL 50 STATES and FEDERAL should be checked, not just the State where the person resides. Also any adverse Mental Health issues should be put into the database to prevent mentally unstable persons from purchasing guns.
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Registration doesn't bother me, though I do understand the "thin end of the wedge" idea.
As a matter of fact I can live with a ballistic test on each registered gun. Just in case it's stolen and used in a crime it'd make te search a little easier. I also support concealed carry AFTER a licensing program that includes training. WSS WSS[/b] . |
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legacy do i see a legalization of vices opinion in there?
I will admit it i was the guy who voted on banning all guns except for target/hunting. |
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Kind of. Maybe more of a "decriminalization" of some as opposed to legalization. I personally don't see any merit in legalizing coke, crack, meth, heroin etc. Or even decriminalizing it.
Does it cost taxpayer money to fight it? Yes. But so do utilities. Running water & sewer are pretty awesome. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
If it weren't for the "ban all guns" lobby, I'd have no problem at all registering my guns.
Trouble is - it has been -stated- in the past that registration is the #1 step toward eliminating them. Find out where they are and control them. Then, price them out of ownership via registration, or complicate the process to frustrate ownership. Then again, like the lawsuits levied against gun manufacturers because of the illegal use of guns, lawsuits vs gunowners would scare gun owners out of ownership, or intimidate those who have guns who might get them stolen. Of course, public records of gun registrations would tell thieves right where the expensive guns are... Forget it. Ifen they cain't find em, they cain't be tryin to take em, I says. |
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Pro Bowl Player |
Just Say "NO" to Gun Registration
http://www.chuckhawks.com/just_say_no.htm ______________Fook all Politicians that want Gun Control! |
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I say no restrictions if the person is 18 and doesn't have a criminal record.
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I say compulsory registration. If you have a right to bear arms, you should also have a responsibility to make sure that your gun isn't used in a crime.
Registration is an imperfect way to assure owners obey their responsibilities, but it's the best one we have. Plus, I wish cities went farther in cracking down on illegal guns. Registration is one of the better ways to protect legal gun owners, while at the same time reducing their need to discharge their weapons against a thug with an illegal gun. On the drug issue, I think legalizing marijuana is the sane approach. Cocaine & heroine...I'm not so sure that's a good idea. I think we could live without P.J. O'Rourke: for every funny, provocative book he writes (Peace Kills) he comes out with a silly piece of right-wing sop (The CEO of the Sofa). But it'd suck if we didn't have "The Glass Menagerie" and "A Streetcar Named Desire" because Tennessee Williams couldn't get some weed. |
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calfoxwc Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
[quote]I say compulsory registration. If you have a right to bear arms, you should also have a responsibility to make sure that your gun isn't used in a crime.
********************************************* Yeah, but.... registration doesn't have anything to do with making sure your gun isn't used in a crime. Mine are never going to be used in a crime anyways. If they were found and stolen, even if registered, why would they not use the guns illegally? Hint: THEY ARE CRIMINALS. Eh? **************************************************** Registration is an imperfect way to assure owners obey their responsibilities, but it's the best one we have. **************************************************** Imperfect = worthless. Criminals don't obey their responsibilities and they won't register their guns. They commit crimes. Registration of law abiders no workee. *************************************************** Plus, I wish cities went farther in cracking down on illegal guns. *************************************************** Problem is, what is illegal? Give inch, anti gun folks will take mile? BB gun illegal? All guns illegal? Semi auto shotguns illegal? It's an open door to take gun ownership away - a back door... ************************************************** Registration is one of the better ways to protect legal gun owners, **************************************************** Would you explain this one? Sorry, but it sounds like a bass ackwards liberal sound biteme ! ***************************************************** while at the same time reducing their need to discharge their weapons against a thug with an illegal gun.. ****************************************************** What? So, if I registered my guns, and could afford to pay a large sum for registration (see back door taking them away), that means a criminal will never invade my house because my guns are registered? When did this "law" take place? When stuff makes absolutely no sense, look for the nasty hidden ulterior motive... |
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So you would argue that there should also be no voter registration, since people casting fraudulent votes aren't following the laws, either. I never had you pegged for an anarchist, but your logic of basing laws on what people who break them don't do clearly points to the argument that there should be no laws. You bomb-chucker, you! (or do bombs count as arms?) I also don't quite get the "registration is a back door to taking guns away" logic. Has it happened elsewhere? Maybe, but so what? A lot of things have happened elsewhere. Hitler took away people's guns. That was the first step. Of course he also took away people's canaries and bicycles. That's why the next guy who asks me how many canaries I have in the house is going to take one between the eyes. Dennis We must know where the guns are. Otherwise, how can our gay illegal Zionist alien overlords pacify the masses when they take over? You have to think about these things logically. |
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Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
I really like to close the Browns Board day on an actual, audible laugh... like that. I said good day, sir! |
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The issue is that many of the guns get to criminals through the secondary market - people selling their guns in the classifieds, etc. Also, some primary sellers sell guns to a "dummy" buyer who then sells them to criminals. So keeping gun sales in the primary market - with tighter registration controls - would help reduce crimes committed with illegal guns. And if you substantially reduced the link between guns and criminality, you'd have far less people calling for draconian gun control solutions. |
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The issue is that criminals have guns. They will rob guns, rob stores, make guns. Registration won't work in the USA. This is not Japan. You left wing radicals kill me with your bookworm logic. Have any of you lived in the real world? |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Oh it could be. That's the "thin end of the wedge" idea I mentioned. An example might be automobile registry COULD be used by a president Obama to find out who owns an SUV to target for tax audits. {that was facetious Heck and Shep)  But I'm looking at gun registration on it's own merit as opposed to any possible abuses. WSS |
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Could be. I've always wondered why folks try to argue that gun registration/limits on certain types of gun ownership are unconstitutional. Right before the whole "right to keep and bear arms" bit in the second amendment, you have the whole "well regulated militia" bit. It seems to me that you can't get around gun laws, in that case--the definition of "well regulated" can be debated in the Congress, with the Court deciding whether or not the laws overstep. Incidentally, I'm willing to make a good-faith gesture and ignore the word "militia" in the amendment (not because of current conotations, but because I don't think you should have to be deputized in order to own a gun, although that is a possible interpretation). However, I think one could make a rhetorically convincing case that membership in a well regulated militia should be a prerequisite for gun ownership, and that if you say that the whole militia thing is archaic, then the whole amendment should be open for debate. As I mentioned earlier, however, I have no issue with people owning guns if they meet the legal requirements. Dennis |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
And it's vague. How regulated you goota be to be "well?" And by whom? WSS |
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As I'm not Antonin Scalia, I don't have frequent conversations with the ghosts of the founders, so I won't presume to say "here is what they meant." However, if I had to take a guess, the regulating power would be either the federal or state governments, since they are the ones who have the power to regulate all the other stuff. And, like the registration laws, the state or federal legislature would have to decide what consititutes well-regulated: is it just passing a background check? Should the individual have to take a registration class (and not just for concealed-carry, but ownership period)? The various governments set up all kinds of definitions of well regulated: I'm allowed to operate a motorized vehicle, but I can't distribute Oxycontin. Or notarize your lease agreement. And yet I can sire any number of children, no matter how big a retard I might be. Dennis Sure, tell people that they can't prescribe drugs, and you're being responsible. Tell people that they're too stupid to breed, and all of a sudden you're a Nazi. |
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