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Colin Powell has been advising Obama; I think he's given up on the Republican party.

And I think there's no chance he'd run against the first African-American presidential nominee.


Actually I think your wrong there Aloy. He was a 4 star General. He is not afraid to "stir the pot". And believe me, he is not "afraid" of Obama. I still think Obama is a disaster waiting to happen. He lacks leadership, he has a questionable past with a strange wife to boot. I think IF he wins, he will be gone after 4 years, just like Carter.
 
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By the way, why do you refer to blacks as "African American"? Are they American, or African? Most Blacks I know dislike that phrase. As do most Africans, who dislike American Blacks as soft sissies. Lets here your well researched response. I am half Croation, half Irish. Should I refer to myself as Croation American? LMAO. What a joke.
 
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And it's not that Powell's afraid of Obama. It's that Powell, like many African Americans, looks at the prospect of having an African American president with a great deal of hope and excitement.

Also, Powell could end up being Obama's Secretary of Defense; he's sufficiently bipartisan (and detached from domestic policy) to get a high-level position in either a McCain or an Obama administration.
 
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Hey, that gives me an idea. How about a McCain - Larry the Cable Guy ticket?


I would think that after eight years in the Oval Office, he'd refuse to take a demotion.

Seriously, though, Powell would make an excellent wild-card, but I'm inclined to agree that he's probably done with politics. Which, I also agree is a shame--he's the closest thing to a technocrat that the military has produced in a long time, and he is anything but a partisan hack.

The problem is that, once Bush decided to throw in his lot with Cheney and Rumsfeld, Powell had little choice but to go along for the ride.

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By the way, why do you refer to blacks as "African American"? Are they American, or African?


Isn't Powell's family Jamaican anyway?
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I think so.
 
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I think Powell is just about the best pick McCain could make. But it would be odd having a guy who was against the Iraq War on the ticket. And I'm not sure Powell would want to be tied to that policy anymore than he already is.

Plus, Powell's pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-gun control. It would amount to a full-scale abandonment of the base of the Republican Party.

Which I'm all for, of course. I'd love that ticket. Even if Obama lost, I'd think we were in good hands. And I'd love to see the control of the Republican Party yanked away from the neo-cons and the Evangelical fringe.
 
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I don't think Powell's wife would go for it either. She was said to have stopped his run in '96.

Check out Why Alma Didn't Want the Job
 
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That, too.

The flip side is that I don't imagine he wants his legacy to be presenting bogus intelligence to the world at the UN and a tenure at State where he (and his entire agency) got rolled over and marginalized by Cheney and Rumsfeld.
 
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And this doesn't sound like a would-be McCain VP:
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Powell: Troops in Iraq Must Be Reduced

Apr 10, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that President Bush's successor will have to come to grips with the reality that the United States cannot continue to keep such large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Without taking sides in the race for the White House, Powell said, "Whichever one of them becomes president on Jan. 1, 2009, they will face a military force that cannot continue to sustain 140,000 people deployed in Iraq and the 20 (thousand) odd or 25,000 people we have deployed in Afghanistan and our other deployments."

Powell's comments in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" seemed to undercut Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting John McCain's position that the U.S. should stay the course in Iraq. But Powell also said that the next president will face limitations on bringing troops home, as Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton — rivals for the Democratic nomination — have promised to do.

"They will have to continue to draw down at some pace," he said. "None of them are going to have the flexibility of just saying we're out of here, turn off the switch, turn off the lights, we're leaving. They will have a situation before them."

Powell, who is a former chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, argued publicly for the invasion of Iraq early in Bush's presidency. He said Thursday that he considers each of the presidential candidates a friend.

"I'm looking at all three candidates ... I have not decided who I will vote for yet," said Powell, who donated $2,300 to McCain's campaign last year.

Questioned about Powell's comments on ABC's "The View," McCain said, "One of the great mistakes, of the many mistakes that was made for nearly four years, is that we continued to reduce the size of the military." He noted that some troops have been back time after time which has put stress on them and their families, "but there's only one thing worse than an overstressed military and that's a defeated military. And I saw a defeated military ... "

Powell praised Obama's response to controversial remarks by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who said the United States brought the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on itself by supporting terrorism and that the government created the AIDS virus to "destroy people of color."

"I thought that Senator Obama handled the issue well," said Powell, the nation's first black secretary of state. "He didn't abandon the minister that brought him closer to his faith, but at the same time he deplored the kinds of statements that the Reverend Wright had made."
 
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I think Powell is just about the best pick McCain could make. But it would be odd having a guy who was against the Iraq War on the ticket. And I'm not sure Powell would want to be tied to that policy anymore than he already is.



He just doesn't strike me as a man with as big a taste for glory as most.

He seems also like an honest man who'd be the target of some nasty ads no matter which party he chose.
He probably feels that is just crap he'd rather live without.

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I honestly don't believe, in the big scheme of things, that either McCain or Obama will approach the war in Iraq very differently in the long run. McCain will initiate a drawdown based on operational and limited political successes spurred on by an unsustainable optempo and financial/economic concerns. Obama, conversely, will drawdown based on the high optempo and financial/economic concerns while pointing to some operational and political successes. What I hear Obama saying though is that he is willing to substitute the high optempo in Iraq for a high optempo in Afghanistan and possibly the FATA region in Pakistan (although covertly of course). Neither candidate has said that they will turn tail and run from either theater. That is why I think Powell becomes incredibly valuable to both due to his experience and history with both engagements, clout, and ability to comprehend how policy decisions will impact operational objectives.

Powell is my choice for VP for both, but I doubt that he would end up working for either. I really believe that he is done with politics. He just got burned too badly by Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush.
 
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I honestly don't believe, in the big scheme of things, that either McCain or Obama will approach the war in Iraq very differently in the long run. McCain will initiate a drawdown based on operational and limited political successes spurred on by an unsustainable optempo and financial/economic concerns.



Of course.
I don't doubt that any of the candidates or the present administration's military advisors really see it differently.
The rest is window dressing.

But we mostly vote for window dressing.
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Mark Schmitt's got a good case against an Obama-Clinton ticket.

He also has some interesting suggestions of alternative Obama veepmates:
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There are fights within the Democratic Party that reflect deep structural and ideological rifts that, in turn, are embodied by individual candidates: Eugene McCarthy and Bobby Kennedy vs. Hubert Humphrey in 1968, George McGovern vs. everyone else in 1972, Ted Kennedy vs. Jimmy Carter in 1980. These breaches, because they went so deep, took a long time to heal, and a "unity ticket" might have helped.

But then there are fights that really have much more to do with the personal qualities and appeals of the candidates. Such a fight can seem similar to a real breach, because the candidates do divide the electorate sharply along lines of class, race, ethnic background, education, gender, and age. But that doesn't mean that the Democratic electorate is inherently divided along those lines, or divided by other issues. If the candidates disappeared, so would the divisions. These have been two strong, appealing candidates, each of them attracting votes rather than repelling them (the staggering turnouts in the Democratic primaries, often approaching or even surpassing the total votes received by John Kerry in 2004, are proof), and who happen to have a natural appeal to different demographic groups. As they split the electorate almost evenly, passions rose higher, and accusations of racial insensitivity, sexism, elitism, and pandering grew louder. Major figures in the Democratic establishment could see their careers ending, while others would emerge to replace them. All this makes for ugliness.

But in two months, I suspect that these things will all be the equivalent of political trivia questions: What did former BET President Bob Johnson accuse Barack Obama of? Which informal Obama advisor referred to Clinton as "a monster," and in what newspaper? Those of us who know the answer will be shocked to recall how deeply immersed we were in them.

And that's why the "unity ticket," while not necessarily a bad idea, is fundamentally unnecessary. The Obama-Clinton divide will heal naturally; it does not require radical surgery. Clinton should be considered as one might consider any other candidate for the vice presidency: in terms of what she brings to the ticket and to the eventual presidency.

**Experience. Certainly Obama would be helped by someone who could balance his relatively short period in national politics with either length or breadth of experience: A stronger background on foreign policy and security, some experience as a governor or in the executive branch, or just a few more years in office would be helpful. Clinton certainly has somewhat more experience: She's lived in the White House, she's served four years longer in the Senate, she's clearly mastered military matters. But there are many other candidates who have at least as much direct experience, from the successful governors Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, to Senators Joe Biden and Chris Dodd, or Evan Bayh--who at 52 has 22 years in public office--or Jack Reed of Rhode Island, a West Point graduate who recently made his 11th trip to Iraq.

**Ideological contrast. One could argue that Obama's liberalism needs a contrast, in a running mate from the slightly more centrist or conservative wing of the party. In many primaries, Clinton did better with more conservative Democrats, and the fact that more of her voters seem to express an intent to vote for McCain suggests that they are more conservative. Obama is in many ways the most plain-spoken liberal to win the Democratic nomination since Walter Mondale. But while Clinton is probably inherently more cautious than Obama, her record marks her as more conservative on only one issue, and that's the one on which she is most out of step with the vast majority of Americans--the decision to go to war in Iraq. And yet, she still suffers under the reputation, developed during the 1990s, that she is some sort of quasi-socialist. That's the worst possible combination: perceived as more liberal than she actually is, while being demonstrably more conservative only on less popular points. Voters are clearly more comfortable with actual liberal policies than they are with the idea of liberalism, which is why Republicans will go after Obama's misleading rating as the "most liberal" senator rather than his actual issue position. Clinton does nothing to balance that perception, though there are several politicians who would: All of the successful governors are perceived as pragmatists, not ideologues. Bayh, Senator Jim Webb, former Senator Sam Nunn, and several others would be perceived as more moderate.

**Region or character type. The primaries created the idea--which would have seemed implausible a year ago--that Clinton is the champion of the white working class, particularly the white working class of Scotch-Irish descent in the Appalachian belt. Obama, meanwhile, has been characterized as the candidate of the McGovern coalition of the upper-Midwest and New England, of affluent college graduates and African-Americans. One could argue that the dream ticket fuses these two regional and socio-economic factions. But if they were not fighting with one another, Obama and Clinton would look a lot more alike as cultural and regional archetypes than different. Despite her legendary grandparents from Scranton, Pennsylvania, (I've got those, too--maybe I could be a working-class hero!), Clinton is really, just like Obama, a pure product of the sensible, reformist political culture of Chicago and the upper-Midwest; Terry McAuliffe's claim that you'll find her at the bar downing shots and beer is as implausible as it is an undesirable trait in a president. Several other prospects, such as Webb, Reed, or Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, would legitimately be seen as fighters for the working class, offering a much more tangible balance to Obama's cool and slightly academic distance.

There are some reasons that the "unity ticket" might be an actually bad idea, notably that a vice presidential candidate needs to be able to subsume his or her own ambitions and ideas for as many as eight years. Hillary Clinton subsumed her ambitions for the first 53 years of her life; there's no reason to expect that she should do so again. But even aside from that, the unity ticket is unnecessary, not only for the party and for Obama, but for Clinton herself. As one of the handful of senators who can automatically command national attention, she will be a central figure in the new era of liberal possibility that will begin in January.
 
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I do not believe Colin Powell will ever run for office, Rice either.
 
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Rich, I really like Mark Warner. Hopefully, he'll spend the next eight years gaining foreign policy experience on the Senate Armed Service or Foreign Relations committee, then get a shot at being the Democratic nominee for president in 2016.

He'll only be in his early sixties, so he'll be young enough to run then.

Right now, however, I think his lack of foreign policy experience may be a disqualifier for being Obama's VP.


Yes indeed MARK Warner is special
 
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By the way, why do you refer to blacks as "African American"? Are they American, or African? Most Blacks I know dislike that phrase. As do most Africans, who dislike American Blacks as soft sissies. Lets here your well researched response. I am half Croation, half Irish. Should I refer to myself as Croation American? LMAO. What a joke.


Yeah you should just as Italian Americans refer to themselves and Irish Americans and so on..........being proud of heritage and home both is well Scintillating!!!!!!!!!!!

But you keep focusing on the killing and elimination fo freedoms that works best
 
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Apparently, Carly Fiorina's getting talked up as a potential McCain VP:
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There’s been a low-level buzz among conservatives in Washington about Fiorina’s prospects for a couple of weeks, apparently spurred by a private lunch [RNC Deputy Chair] Donatelli attended with antitax advocate Grover Norquist. At the lunch, Donatelli talked up Fiorina’s conservative positions against abortion and gun control, say people with knowledge of the meeting.

Donatelli confirmed the lunch conversation but acknowledged, “She would not be a traditional pick.” There could be pressure on McCain however to chose a woman or a minority running mate, given the Democratic field.

Fiorina’s negatives? She’s not a party figure with obvious ability to unite Republicans, she doesn’t bring a state with her, and she carries baggage from her time at HP, where she was ousted over performance issues.
 
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hey heck common courtesy requires response the the first response to a lead post

SHAME ON YOU............
 
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hey heck common courtesy requires response the the first response to a lead post


No sir.

Not when it comes to you and others who share your burden.

Common courtesy involves not staring, nothing more.

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