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AFC North Player of the Month |
invest it into americas future and build some factories that would put americans back to work.
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Hall of Famer |
Interesting point. I would say, however, that unless you want to run the factories as a charity (which would be kind of sad), you'd have to get ready to close the factory as soon as you open it. Because you'd have to face the unending struggle of patriotic consumerism ("Buy American!") with the free market (which loves cheap stuff from overseas). Dennis Patriotism doesn't stand a chance. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters  |
It would if we could relax the stranglehold of taxes, unions litigation and regulations. I think there's a perk to buying American, but it has to be realistic, Example. A pair of good Chinese sneakers for 50 bucks or US made for 60? American Stratocaster for 800$ or Chinese for 725.00$? I think we'd pay a little more for US goods but not twice as much. WSS |
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Hall of Famer |
There are a number of good issues that you raise there. A lot of the reasons why American-made goods are more expensive are interrelated--for instance, if Nike made a shoe in America it would be more expensive than one made in Indonesia for two reasons: first, it costs more to make it here (I would ask what you mean by regulations--I think a lot of OSHA's stuff is excessive, but child labor laws are regulations, too). Second, Nike wants to maintain its profit margin--they would still be making a lot of money charging $200 for sneakers, even if the cost of production per shoe went from $3 (or whatever it is) to $50 (and that's clearly a worst-case scenario; no way would it go that high). Dennis |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
Well I'm wearing a pair of New Balance shoes. Always liked 'em and these are made in America. 85$. Not a whole lot more than any other top shoe I guess, unless ya go to Value City. It does make one wonder though. The US Standard strat is more than twice the cost of the Mexican one. Now the hardware pickups neck and body are made elsewhere but I hear they're assembled and painted in Mexico. Lets really exaggerate the labor. Lets say the American guy gets 100$ and hour and he spends an hour assembling one here. Lets say Juan gets a dollar an hour. That's only a 99 buck difference and it's gotta cost something just to haul the parts over the border, no? So I'm at a loss to figure a $299 to a $799 price jump. WSS |
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steve you have to take into factor currency valuation, also the cost of procuring raw materials that are shipped here depending on their port of origin and our existing import tax structure.
those factors alone not including industrial epa standards and energy costs that are not subsidized here like they are often in mexico coupled with social security,insurance,workers comp and union wage costs is what is jumping that price. What the american consumer needs to come to grips with is that cost you normally associate that guitar produced in mexico is completely wrong. The correct price with profit included is the 799.00 not the 299.00, you can not have epa protections and consumer liablity protections to make sure the product is produced safely and with fair wages without a major price increase. Basically every time we buy and product that is produced in a developing nation we are taking advantage of lax labor protections and lower quality epa in some cases non existant envirenmental protections. Its not if we pay double for the same product rather we are going to have less products because of cost. |
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Skipper of the Lake Erie Booze Patrol Numbers Retired and hangs in the rafters |
But I did in mentioning that the parts for assembly aren't even made there. Or here, some of em. WSS |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Sev, why not use it all on health care? Are those other things really that important? |
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Tupa I dont know if you are being sarcastic, but if not I will answer that question. I believe in a strong domestic manufacturing base that contributes profits to our public stock markets. That helps our domestic investment and returns which ultimately leads to a more independent and stronger domestic gdp.
In order to pay for a nationalized quality health care we as a country need to be able to afford it. I believe the increase in domestic tax contribution as a feedback cycle because of increased middle wage jobs and white collar jobs created by domestic manufacturing and consumption driven by our 350 million plus and growing consumers is important. I also have read in many studies that health care cost decrease per capita with a direct correlation in poverty percentages. We have a growing poverty class that is directly related to the lack of availability with low skill middle wage jobs. In essence all of my hypothetical contributions do all lend to the health of our citizens and the ability to pay for a system is going to be based on how healthy our populace is. Health is heavily influenced by financial stability and access by financial means to buy quality foods. That has to start with also addressing work availability and wages. Obviously the tariff equalization with Chinese goods is driven by my position of stimulated domestic manufacturing to provide those jobs in the first place. I also included "educational" adveritising because I think our populace does not often make the connection with our buying cheaper imported goods with why we have so much city decay and job loss. Most of the time its filling a immediate desire to have an object rather than thinking about our culture as a whole. I hope that answers your question Tupa, that is if you even really wanted an answer. |
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Hall of Fame Legend |
It does, and I did. I asked because a few weeks ago I was told I was a hypocrite if I didnt support government funded universal health care. So I was interested to hear that you think there are other issues that can be thought of as more important for the government to address, even if I do disagree with you. |
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Hall of Famer |
fair enough, we can respectfully disagree. I hope it was not me calling you a hypocrit, I dont recall doing that.
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Hall of Fame Legend |
Yeah, it was you. You threw "hipocracy" around about a dozen times in reference to Christians that have a "lack of priority" in voting for universal health care.
In your defense, I think you assumed that the people you were talking about were prioritizing "death" and "greed" over health care. I think your post here shows that that isnt necessarily the case at all. |
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Hall of Famer |
oh I forgot that post. yes you are right in your assumption. My generalization was not exactly fleshed out in specifics.
Thanks for giving me the benefit of reason in your assumptions. |
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