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Shibley Telhami has put out another large-scale poll of the Arab world, his first since 2006. I recommend checking it out (.pdf here).

Here is some of his more interesting polling data:

Biggest concerns about the Iraq war:
  • Iran is now a more powerful state (8%), down from 15% in 2006
  • Iraq may be divided (40%), down from 49%
  • US will continue to dominate Iraq long after the transfer of power to the Iraqis (40%), down from 40%
  • Continuing trouble in Iraq will divert attention from other issues such as the Palestinian question (49%), up from 31%
  • Iraq will remain unstable and spread instability in the region (59%), up from 42%

When you think about Al Qaeda, what aspects of the organization do you sympathize with most?
  • That it seeks to create an Islamic state like that of the Taliban in Afghanistan (7%), same as 2006
  • Its method of operations (10%), down from 11%
  • That it stands for Muslim causes such as the Palestinian issue (18%), up from 14%
  • I do not sympathize at all with this organizations (21%), down from 33%
  • That it confronts the US (30%), down from 33%

Clearly, the Palestinian issue has become a bigger issue in the last few years. Telhami's data also indicates that the number of Arabs willing to accept "a just and comprehensive peace with Israel" has increased (from 61% to 73%), but so has the number of Arabs who are skeptical of Israel's willingness to make the necessary territorial compromises (from 38% to 52%)

On a more hopeful note, the number of Arabs who think Israel can be militarily defeated has declined (from 46% to 35%).

As for how the US can improve its image in the Arab world, Telhami asked the following question:

What TWO steps by the US would improve your views of the US most?
  • Providing more economic assistance to the region (13%)
  • Pushing even more to spread democracy in the Middle East (13%)
  • Stopping economic and military aid to Israel (28%)
  • Brokering a Comprehensive Middle East Peace with Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 border and establishing a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capitol (50%)
  • Withdrawal of US forces from the Arabian Peninsula (46%)
  • Withdrawal of US forces from Iraq (44%)

To effectively win the War on Terror, I think our next president will need to do one of the last three options. Otherwise, we won't have the necessary support in the Arab world to advance our interests: things like pushing democracy & human rights in the Arab world and stopping Iran's nuclear program.

I think it's safe to say that McCain won't do the last two options. And I'm also skeptical about him being willing to push Israel to make the painful compromises necessary for Middle East peace.

That makes me think that a McCain administration will be a series of cataclysmic cluster****s, with us spending billions on an instable Iraq and Iran making unimpeded progress on its nuclear program.


 
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I guess they don't hate cheeseburgers, Paris Hilton, and Power Ranger birthday parties after all. It's our Middle East Policy.
 
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You mean they don't hate us for our freedom??
 
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Screw Arab Public Opinion.
 
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If the Arabs dont like us we can nuke-em until they glow and then shoot them in the dark.
 
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Originally posted by heckofajobBrownie:
You mean they don't hate us for our freedom??


They hate us for the same reaon the colonies hated Great Britain, the French hated Marie Antoinette, the Russkies hated the Tsar Hitler hated the Jews and the Saudis hate the royal family. And who props up the royal family??

When a big group feels out of the loop, struggling or even starving and looks at the "ruling class" they see an easy target for their misery.

Then some great leader or terrible dictator (depending on which side of the fence you're on) can rally them to his cause of "freedom and equality."

Why couldn't Iraq be Dubai?

It probably could.
Why won't it be?
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Originally posted by Westside Steve:
They hate us for the same reaon the colonies hated Great Britain, the French hated Marie Antoinette, the Russkies hated the Tsar Hitler hated the Jews and the Saudis hate the royal family.

Considering the rest of that list, Hitler hating the Jews seems a bit out of place...

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Why couldn't Iraq be Dubai?

The comparison of Iraq and the UAE is an interesting one.

The UAE is much more religiously homogeneous than Iraq. It's 80% Sunni, 16% Shiite (similar to Saudi Arabia), while Iraq is approximately 30% Sunni, 60% Shiite.

Plus, the UAE is essentially seven regional emirs splitting up control - a loose federal approach that has worked very well for them.

Considering the sharp divisions in Iraqi society, the UAE's regional approach would have made even more sense in Iraq.

Instead, we toppled a Sunni strongman and replaced him with a series of ineffective Shiite wannabes. And despite our troops' best efforts, the Iraqi national government still doesn't control the country.
 
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Originally posted by Westside Steve:
They hate us for the same reaon the colonies hated Great Britain, the French hated Marie Antoinette, the Russkies hated the Tsar Hitler hated the Jews and the Saudis hate the royal family.

Considering the rest of that list, Hitler hating the Jews seems a bit out of place...

Sure.
What I mean is that it was part of Hitlers plan to find a group on which to blame the depression.
There was already anti semitism and he picked them.



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Why couldn't Iraq be Dubai?

The comparison of Iraq and the UAE is an interesting one.

The UAE is much more religiously homogeneous than Iraq. It's 80% Sunni, 16% Shiite (similar to Saudi Arabia), while Iraq is approximately 30% Sunni, 60% Shiite.

I think religion seems less divisive in economic boom times.
But yeah.


Plus, the UAE is essentially seven regional emirs splitting up control - a loose federal approach that has worked very well for them.

Considering the sharp divisions in Iraqi society, the UAE's regional approach would have made even more sense in Iraq.

Could have.

Instead, we toppled a Sunni strongman and replaced him with a series of ineffective Shiite wannabes. And despite our troops' best efforts, the Iraqi national government still doesn't control the country.


Nope.
But what we did or didn't do has little bearing on where Iraq could have gone without the Saddam rule.
Hell we coulda passed on Desert storm and made a back door deal with him. Mighta been a lot better.

An Arab country wil oil could make life a lot better for everybody if they had their shit together.

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Because there is beer in Dubai. Lots of it, where do you think these guys go to Party. Got some great clubs there to, lots of Russian Women, almost thought I was on Texas Street in Pusan.
 
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I, uhm, "dated" a Russian dance major in college. It's embedded in my brain. I like the Russian girls.
 
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I, uhm, "dated" a Russian dance major in college. It's embedded in my brain. I like the Russian girls.


Me too. But talk about the way things go. One of the times in Pusan we hit this one bar, full of Russian buy me drink girls. The music was good the bar was big and the girls were not to pushy. Besides it was a little crowded all in all, I pulled in with 7000 of my closest friends.

Wekk as we are at the bar drinking our refreshing beverage, three women walk up and start talking to us. Two are early 20sm fine, and in tight little outfits. The other well lets just say she ended up being the manager of the group. I remind one of them of her exboyfriend, and got hit on all night, bet you could guess which one it was. That was one night I made sure I got back to the boat.
 
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Russian women are fine. Damn, I'm agreeing with Shep on something.
 
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Nav you spent time in Pusan? russian women..... no comment. Aloysius you hit the nail on the head, Bush lackeys that he and cheney/ rumsfield appiontments that had zero experience in middle eastern history or politics. That what you get when you get a slacker student and a failed businessman for president. You get the southern buddy system, no qualifications and relevant experience needed just a good drinking partner and you are in.
 
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You get the southern buddy system, no qualifications and relevant experience needed just a good drinking partner and you are in.

Sounds like it's working in Dubai. Wink

So we arm our troops with cases of Budweiser instead of cases of bullets?

I dig it.
 
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